Both Ukraine and Russia are existentially threatened. This truth comes from Professor John Mersheimer. The Trump team hasn’t a clue. Both sides were ok until our ignorant foreign policy got us into this mess. The Trumpers, well intentioned, are ignorant because they have not studied or read about the background. With that knowledge they might have found a way. I think it is too late.
American diplomacy died with FDR and Harry Hopkins. With money and power the “after teams “ pursued hegemony with the Cold War. Not profiting from that experience they more vigorously pursued hegemony to where we are catastrophically today. Painted into a corner!!!!!! And no trained intelligence to work out of it. Everything is a continual PHILOSOPHISM, full of false self righteousness devoid of “a stand back”.
Meanwhile, according to Ambassador Chas Freeman , the USA with 5% of the world’s population uses 80% of the world’s fentinol. And we are leaders of the free world. We have lost the moral ground as Palestinians are dying of starvation and we stand by paid off by the Israeli lobby.
My point from Freeman’s point is that the USA is a whore! It performs favors for Israeli money! Every congressperson is paid off!
And you expect some sort of moral settlement based on your false analysis?
BTW, any mention of any of the three Budapest Memoranda was taken down from the White House web site THIS MONTH. Trump wants Americans to remain in the dark. No histiry. No facts. Just the propaganda he wasnts to put out.
"Seeing the war turning against the Germans, the Banderites turn-coated and sided with the CIA"
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The CIA was not established until September 18, 1947. During the closing days of WWII, those Ukrainian "extreme nationalists" would have cooperated with the wartime OSS, many of whom were rolled over into the new CIA.
I've seen some records of Ukrainian/anti USSR operation names, budgets & etc. during the immediate post war era which have been released, the activity certainly increased after 1947.
About North American Banderite youth camps? Here is an article about another one I recently became aware of in Wisconsin, near my old home town:
Billy, Thanks for the correction. I have to go back to my sources but you are right. It was the precursor to the CIA . Perhaps the MI6. Probably OSS. Great article on the yogurt camps. Thank you.
The warden s Ukrainian best example is the guy the Canadian parliament gave a standing ovation! Then apologized. These foul people were all over North America. Nothing in today’s news media. Perhaps that will change if Russia decisively wins and the dirty laundry comes out of the closet.
I used to pick up flat bed semi truck loads of steel from warehouses in a Ukrainian neighborhood of central/Eastern Chicago Illinois. I got to like the Ukrainian food I'd get at the ethnic restaurants and delis while I was getting my truck loaded, they seemed nice enough people. However, I heard some of the younger ones who spoke English rather than Russian/Ukrainian saying crazy things on occasion and saw plenty of Nazi themed graffiti in those neighborhoods- This was back around 2006 - 2007.
Why no mention of the much more recent and relevant Budapest Memorandum?? Don't you think that is information that most Americans (and certainly Trump and his clown car) don’t have? Isn't the fact that Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons for guaranteed autonomy is part of the understanding of the history and relevant to any discussion of ending the war? This constant one-sided Putin boot licking is getting pretty old.
The BP was in 1994 when we controlled Yeltsin who fired on the Russian Parliament with tanks.
Ukraine did not give up Ukrainian Nukes. They gave up Soviet nukes and America and the West pushed for that. In 1994 the Banderites were undercover mostly in Lviv. Thank God! I traced my article right up to today. To understand what is going on you have to go more forward. BM was 30 years ago and is of minor relevancy. I try to discuss the current and recent past to how it relates to what is going on. Hang in there. There is more.
Hey! On your way to the family reunion pull off the thruway at Ellenville to see the monuments to the Fascists Ukrainians Zelenski and Co fete, build monuments to and name streets after. These guys cooperated with Himmler and Hitler. Then look for the scout camp to teach their youth their hate.
The Ukrainians never HAD nuclear weapons, any more than the governor of South Dakota has nuclear weapons. Yes, there are missile silos in SD. No, the state governor doesn't have ownership of any missiles!
The newly dissolved USSR now partially reconstituted as the Russian Federation had weapons there, which never were under Ukrainian control. The troops controlling the nuclear weapons storage and missile sites had been (and REMAINED) Russian, not "Ukrainian".
Additionally, some in the new Ukrainian government TRIED to get into abd take control of some weapons sites despite the agreement that they would all be removed to Russian Federation. The new Russian Federation sent a message to both the Ukrainians AND the RF troops guarding those nuclear weapons: Any base or storage where Ukrainians entered or RF troops lost control, stood down or otherwise compromised custody of nuclear weapons would IMMEDIATELY be struck by RF with tactical nuclear weapons, they would destroy those bases and anyone in them before letting a single weapon be lost. This worked, you can't spend a Ukrainian bribe if you are dead.
Kev. Trump hasn’t a clue. I’m going with Billy’s comment and sticking with my article’s thrust. Next article is about Trump on all this.
Thx for an excellent description of relevant history. Complex background.
Both Ukraine and Russia are existentially threatened. This truth comes from Professor John Mersheimer. The Trump team hasn’t a clue. Both sides were ok until our ignorant foreign policy got us into this mess. The Trumpers, well intentioned, are ignorant because they have not studied or read about the background. With that knowledge they might have found a way. I think it is too late.
American diplomacy died with FDR and Harry Hopkins. With money and power the “after teams “ pursued hegemony with the Cold War. Not profiting from that experience they more vigorously pursued hegemony to where we are catastrophically today. Painted into a corner!!!!!! And no trained intelligence to work out of it. Everything is a continual PHILOSOPHISM, full of false self righteousness devoid of “a stand back”.
Meanwhile, according to Ambassador Chas Freeman , the USA with 5% of the world’s population uses 80% of the world’s fentinol. And we are leaders of the free world. We have lost the moral ground as Palestinians are dying of starvation and we stand by paid off by the Israeli lobby.
My point from Freeman’s point is that the USA is a whore! It performs favors for Israeli money! Every congressperson is paid off!
And you expect some sort of moral settlement based on your false analysis?
BTW, any mention of any of the three Budapest Memoranda was taken down from the White House web site THIS MONTH. Trump wants Americans to remain in the dark. No histiry. No facts. Just the propaganda he wasnts to put out.
@MICHAEL BASTA
A minor correction-
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"Seeing the war turning against the Germans, the Banderites turn-coated and sided with the CIA"
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The CIA was not established until September 18, 1947. During the closing days of WWII, those Ukrainian "extreme nationalists" would have cooperated with the wartime OSS, many of whom were rolled over into the new CIA.
I've seen some records of Ukrainian/anti USSR operation names, budgets & etc. during the immediate post war era which have been released, the activity certainly increased after 1947.
About North American Banderite youth camps? Here is an article about another one I recently became aware of in Wisconsin, near my old home town:
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/03/29/ukrainian-baraboo-nazi-statues/
Billy, Thanks for the correction. I have to go back to my sources but you are right. It was the precursor to the CIA . Perhaps the MI6. Probably OSS. Great article on the yogurt camps. Thank you.
The warden s Ukrainian best example is the guy the Canadian parliament gave a standing ovation! Then apologized. These foul people were all over North America. Nothing in today’s news media. Perhaps that will change if Russia decisively wins and the dirty laundry comes out of the closet.
@Michael Basta
I used to pick up flat bed semi truck loads of steel from warehouses in a Ukrainian neighborhood of central/Eastern Chicago Illinois. I got to like the Ukrainian food I'd get at the ethnic restaurants and delis while I was getting my truck loaded, they seemed nice enough people. However, I heard some of the younger ones who spoke English rather than Russian/Ukrainian saying crazy things on occasion and saw plenty of Nazi themed graffiti in those neighborhoods- This was back around 2006 - 2007.
Thanks Billy
Why no mention of the much more recent and relevant Budapest Memorandum?? Don't you think that is information that most Americans (and certainly Trump and his clown car) don’t have? Isn't the fact that Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons for guaranteed autonomy is part of the understanding of the history and relevant to any discussion of ending the war? This constant one-sided Putin boot licking is getting pretty old.
The BP was in 1994 when we controlled Yeltsin who fired on the Russian Parliament with tanks.
Ukraine did not give up Ukrainian Nukes. They gave up Soviet nukes and America and the West pushed for that. In 1994 the Banderites were undercover mostly in Lviv. Thank God! I traced my article right up to today. To understand what is going on you have to go more forward. BM was 30 years ago and is of minor relevancy. I try to discuss the current and recent past to how it relates to what is going on. Hang in there. There is more.
Hey! On your way to the family reunion pull off the thruway at Ellenville to see the monuments to the Fascists Ukrainians Zelenski and Co fete, build monuments to and name streets after. These guys cooperated with Himmler and Hitler. Then look for the scout camp to teach their youth their hate.
The question was - why not include that information. It is VERY relevant.
@Kevin Deame
The Ukrainians never HAD nuclear weapons, any more than the governor of South Dakota has nuclear weapons. Yes, there are missile silos in SD. No, the state governor doesn't have ownership of any missiles!
The newly dissolved USSR now partially reconstituted as the Russian Federation had weapons there, which never were under Ukrainian control. The troops controlling the nuclear weapons storage and missile sites had been (and REMAINED) Russian, not "Ukrainian".
Additionally, some in the new Ukrainian government TRIED to get into abd take control of some weapons sites despite the agreement that they would all be removed to Russian Federation. The new Russian Federation sent a message to both the Ukrainians AND the RF troops guarding those nuclear weapons: Any base or storage where Ukrainians entered or RF troops lost control, stood down or otherwise compromised custody of nuclear weapons would IMMEDIATELY be struck by RF with tactical nuclear weapons, they would destroy those bases and anyone in them before letting a single weapon be lost. This worked, you can't spend a Ukrainian bribe if you are dead.
Bullshit.
Please do elucidate your brilliant and nuanced comment.
A well-done piece. May the Russians get back the entire Novorossiya.